Amazingly, it's the 200th Anniversary of this war coming up. Jeez.
LIES about, "Mr. Madison's War."
Less Than 60 Days Before
The War of 1812
Began,AMERICA BEGINS DOUBLING-TRIPLING-QUADRUPLING IN SIZE, EXTREMELY RAPIDLY.
It was England, not the U.S., that Violated the Previous Treaties of
These Two Nations, Helping to Create the War of 1812,
and a Huge Growth Spurt for the United States.
THE "KEEPER" OF ALL THAT WHICH THE LOUISIANA-PURCHASE,
PURCHASED, PLUS QUITE A BIT MORE. The Current USA Should be Called
"THE LAND THAT PRESIDENT MADISON KEPT."
The part of this war in Europe mostly unrelated to the U.S. was a huge
victory for Russia, Britian, & Everyone Else, against Napoloen, while the
U.S. is said to have gained ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from the war?HUNH???????Google search for "war of 1812": click here.
When I first began to inquire and post things about the War of 1812, all of the following links stated in no uncertain terms that the War of 1812 had been nearly a total error for the USA and President James Madison. There was no mention of the huge expansion of the USA about to occur starting in 1812, at any of these links which began with Louisiana,state #18 during the year 1812, less than two months before the war broke out.
LIST OF LIES: Many internet websites such as wikipedia, this website, this website, this website, AND this website, to name quite a few, were recently ALL denying that a vast amount of territory and new States were captured by the Americans just before, during and immediately after the War of 1812. The fact that no states joined the union during the war itself, is irrelevant.
World War I and II both created a huge anti-German sentiment in U.S. culture, and an organized pro-British propaganda effort. Ever since that time, historical truth seems to have suffered here. Also, many Germans permanently suppressed their true family history.
I read somewhere that some American just before World War I who knew about the 1776-1783 British prison ships, and the scandalously high death rate, got charged with some sort of Federal crime for trying to publicize it, and was put into Federal prison for at least 20 years!
Knowing the truth about history and using that to try to hurt an ally during a major war, can be illegal here.
TERRITORY CAPTURED and KEPT by the U.S. during and after the WAR of 1812:
President Madison stated that the Louisiana Purchase was intended to procure West Florida and the rest of Louisiana.
The land claimed by the Republic of West Florida had already been annexed on October 27, 1810 by the U.S. to supplement the Louisiana Purchase (1803). BUT - it was not physically held throughout the area. (None of West Florida lies inside the current state of Florida (#27, 1845). West Florida stretched from the current far-western (NW) Florida border with Alabama, to the border with Louisiana, i.e., part of the infamous and sometimes deadly, "I-10 corridor".)
For example, in 1812, Mobile, Alabama was still presumed to be held physically by the British, though this was already U.S. territory. (There were actually a handful of Spanish troops occupying the fort in Mobile until 1813, but England really dominated the entire region.)
Nearby, all of East Florida (same exact boundaries, more or less, as the current state of Florida (#27, 1845)) and the nearby southern part of the continent to the west, were dominated by the British. West Florida and the Louisiana Purchase land having been Spanish territory, then later French territory until the Louisiana Purchase (1803), and the annexation of West Florida (1810).
However, the British military and associated Native Americans physically dominated the area until the War of 1812, although this was still Spanish "occupied" territory with forts or garrisons in San Marcos (St. Marks), Saint Augustine, Pensacola, Fl., Baton Rouge, LA, and Mobile, AL, still.
The Repuplic of West Florida took over the Spanish garrison in Baton Rouge, Louisiana in 1810, who were still there since this part of Louisiana was apparrently NOT included in the Louisiana Purchase. This was when the U.S. government was "organizing" the French colonial and Spanish law systems of U.S. Lousiana Territory, into a U.S. style legal system during this Territorial Period of Louisiana Territory. But the borders of modern Louisiana were changed from 1803.
Therefore, Fulwar Skipwith and others of the Republic of West Florida helped start the War of 1812; but turned it over shortly afterwards to the "invading" USA.
In 1813, General James Wilkinson and troops of the U.S. Army physically captured and barely held the port city of Mobile, Alabama during the War of 1812, which was not an insubstantial piece of land, although this territory had been annexed by the U.S. in 1810 as part of West Florida. Maybe Spain and England disagreed with that annexation. (Where then did the tiny number of Spanish troops in Mobile go? Saint Augustine and/or Pensacola.)
In early 1815, the British forces who had just lost the Battle of New Orleans were headed east to Mobile to dislodge American troops there. They succeeded in capturing Fort Bowyer, but then pulled out when word was received that the War of 1812 was already over.
Spanish (East) Florida, the same more or less as the current State of Florida (#27, 1845), was then invaded by forces sent there in 1816 by General Andrew Jackson in order to fight (allegedly British supplied) Seminole Natives allied with many escaped Black and/or mixed-race former slaves there; but this remaining Spanish territory was not officially annexed until the Adams-Onis treaty of 1819, which took effect in 1821.
The Natives are still there, but no longer have to evade General Jackson, the Spanish, or their successors.
Therefore, the current State of Florida (#27, 1845) could loosely be said to have been captured from the British after they left after the War of 1812, though Florida was still owned by Spain at first, technically speaking, and remained a mere U.S. territory for quite some time.
Sam Jones, the Seminole Chief and his band, evaded the U.S. and remained free in Florida until natural death.
And Alabama (#22) was not admitted to the Union (1819) until after Mobile was actually occupied by U.S. troops. Therefore, the State of Alabama (#22, 1819) was also even more captured during the War of 1812 from the British, but just barely. (Note that the Native tribes remained in the State of Alabama until the 1830's.)
We should also include the State of Louisiana (#18, 1812) and the State of Mississippi (#20, 1817) as having been confirmed as permanent parts of the United States due to the War of 1812, mostly.
Likewise, it could be argued that the War of 1812 ended British/Canadian threats from across the Great Lakes, at the mouth of the Mississippi, other rivers, and along the Eastern Seaboard, and in New England, allowing the U.S. to expand into Indiana (#19, 1816), Illinois (#21, 1818), and Maine (#23, 1820) immediately.
Likewise, Missouri (#24, 1821) is the last place to join immediately after the War of 1812 and the Louisiana Purchase, period. Also, Ohio (#17, 1803), though already a state in 1812, along with Louisiana itself (#18, 1812), were also threatened by the British.
The next state after number #24 (1821), Missouri, Arkansas (#25), did not enter the Union until 1836. Note that Arkansas (#25, 1836) made the U.S. exactly half what it eventually became, and that Michigan (#26, 1837), was the beginning of the second half of the United States, at this point in time. All the later states of Arkansas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan were also along major waterways, lakes, or rivers, which the USA was now beginning to control and dominate due to the War of 1812.
Note that instantly before the War of 1812, Louisiana (#18, 1812), was, as if, an ISLAND STATE (in a sense) surrounded by sometimes very hostile forces, cut off from the main part of the U.S. by either Natives, the sea, the river, or foreign forces. Until Mississippi and Alabama became settled states, and for some time after the War of 1812, New Orleans, Louisiana, like Mobile, Alabama, was reachable most easily by ocean going ship. Or perhaps after Pickney's treaty opened up the Mississippi to Americans in 1795, some came down from the state of Kentucky or Tennessee territory on the Mississippi, or perhaps even earlier, from that part of the early state of Virginia which bordered the Ohio or Mississippi Rivers. But not very many.
Or by way of the Federal Road from the areas near what is today Columbus, Georiga which went through the "Indian"/U.S. territories of Alabama and Mississippi, but the road was guarded by a few U.S. troops. (Note that the account at this link mentions that U.S. Mississippi territory at that time in early 1812 had lost its entire Native population, and the French flag was still being flown. But the French flag would have left around 1803 when the Louisiana Purchase occurred; and the remaining British flags and Spanish flags would have left during the War of 1812, although the Spanish and Americans never seemed to have taken up arms during that war. By 1816 or so, only the Spanish flag in Florida remained, but there would've been no European foreign flags in Mississippi or Alabama during their U.S. Territorial periods.
BUT WAIT!!!! IT'S NOW AROUND 1830, AND THE NATIVES ARE STILL HERE. But many members of some tribes of Natives in this part of U.S. held territory would have remained until the early to mid-1830's, inside the newly created states of Alabama and Mississippi until after the final wars, and the Trail of Tears era. Read this for proof. Here's an account of the wars with Creeks in East Central and South Alabama and West Central and Southwest Georgia that is usually not mentioned or remembered by anyone, although numerous historical markers exist all over the region which commemorate the "Indian removal" during the 1830's. More - historical research about this era.)
The War of 1812 was also fought to protect the new State of Louisiana, and to connect to it by land from the rest of the already united States of the U.S.A. without having to deal with primitive frontier conditions.
Again, if the British had won the Battle of New Orleans, what would have happened to Louisiana? Nothing - the war was already over, anyway. The U.S. won against England, and therefore, acquired a huge amount of additional territory that England still wanted, even after the War of 1812.
The rest of this second group of Lousiana Purchase related expansion states were 100% related to the War of 1812, and to direct British threat to U.S. territory and states. (Actually, this is the second wave of expansion states, all related to the War of 1812. The first wave of expansion states consisted of Kentucky(#15, 1792), Tennessee(#16, 1796), and Ohio(#17, 1803) and were counties of Virginia and/or early U.S. territory which had been purchased from the original 14 colonies when they became the original 13 states plus Vermont, rather than 13 countries.
Plus Vermont (#14, 1791), which was an independent country since the Revolution until 1791, unlike the other 13 which became one nation, etc, before that.
So, the War of 1812 resulted in no expansion of the United States?
But the war was an illusion except for political ego: another point: it is likely that a majority of the people who were soon to newly occupy all of the above mentioned states created immediately before and after the War of 1812, were from England, Scotland, Ireland, or nearby Europe just like most of those who immigrated after the Revolutionary War. (Europe - many Hessian mercenaries immigrated to the USA after the first two U.S wars with England.)
The War of 1812 was actually started partly over the British maritime labor shortage created by the exodus of so many former sailors to the "New American States" after the previous Revolutionary War. For that reason, the British were kidnapping sailors from U.S. ships (and probably other nationalities as well) before the War of 1812. Also, the British were still occupying forts on U.S. territory, and supposedly arming the Natives to attack Americans, etc.
The War of 1812 for the New World, could also be seen as having been a huge American real estate sales promotion tool for all the soldiers, sailors, and others from Europe who were soon to move here as citizens, etc., and who were to spend their hard-earned wages on land purchases in the brand new states about to be created and newly occupied.
POW of Revolutionary War - Kidnap Victim.
Hero of the War of 1812, etc.
Note that the land he acquired became the collateral
for much of our currency. Hence, his face appears on much of it.
The music - 1812 Overture - has nothing to do with the American War of 1812 - but it's from the exact same war, internationally speaking.
General Waves of Expansion States of the USA added after the Original 14:
- Vermont (#14, 1791). Home of Ethan Allen, Revolutionary War hero. One of the original, but more anti-slavery than the other 13, of the 14 American Republics fighting for independence from Great Britain. Vermont joining is a signal that slavery is doomed.
This original #14 Vermont anti-slavery expansion stab by our Founding Fathers, soon to be amplified by an 1808 constitutional enablement of banning slave importation, and Washington's freeing of all of his own slaves, could also all be seen as the triggers for the new free-state/slave-state political conflict lasting until the Civil War.
That should never have happened. But Washington and Monroe and Van Buren and Richard M. Johnson were too weak or too flawed. They ought to have ended slavery sooner. The Monroe Re-Africanization effort was a failed early effort to end slavery altogether at a much earlier time than the 1860's, but it ignored reality and synthesis.
It seems more like an expensive deception than anything else considering how polyglot America was at that moment. Monroe would've had to have persuaded Spaniards or Mexicans to move to Monrovia, also, eventually.
- First Wave - 1792-1803 - Kentucky (15), Tennessee (16), Ohio (17) (Territories of original 14 U.S. states sold to the U.S., or counties of Virginia.)
- Second Wave - 1812-1907 - Louisiana-Purchase, and War of 1812 States.
- War of 1812 related states - 1812-1821-1907- Louisiana (18), Indiana (19), Mississippi (20), Illinois (21), Alabama (22), Maine (23), Missouri (24, 1821) - states added immediately before and immediately after the War of 1812, and obviously related to it.
Note that the conclusion of the so-called "Indian Removal" from most of the eastern states of the USA, was about 10 to 15 years after Missouri became a full U.S. state in 1821.
By 1821, a HUGE number of Native Americans were now living on U.S. owned and controlled territory or IN U.S. STATES. Those in U.S. states had to have their lands registered with county tax departments, and presumably paid property taxes, etc.
If the British had WON the War of 1812, what would the USA look like today?
If the British had won the Battles of Baltimore, Lake Erie, and New Orleans, they would've proably decisively won the War of 1812, and the USA would've SHRUNK in the MIDDLE and possibly in the Mid-Atlantic Washington, D.C. area stretching all the way to St. Louis and/or Detroit, Michigan, and of course down to just-taken Louisiana.
More likely, the USA would've ENDED completely!
The British would've probably established Baltimore or New Orleans as their new colonial capital of British-America, formerly the USA. This entire republican outbreak would've been shut down all over the world.
They would not have rebuilt the brand-new and nearly empty subdivision called, Washington, D.C. It would still be vacant, even today.
Madison and Monroe would've been hung by their necks, or at least shipped off with fellow dis-loyal commoner Napoleon to some remote island. If being hung, it would have occurred probably somewhere in the vicinity of D.C., and all the remaining U.S. patriots rounded up and hung with them. Then masses of Loyalists would resail across the ocean to retake all of their seized territory from 1776-1783.
But MASSES OF OTHER EUROPEANS were already headed for the USA just to buy land and settle down after the huge wars that had just taken place in Europe. If the British had "won" the War of 1812 initially, probably all sorts of mini-revolts all over the newly occupied British-USA would begin occurring as the British-government protected "Indians" began to clash with the hordes of newly arriving Europeans.
It doesn't make sense that the British government could force a treaty against European encroachment on Native lands, using European armies to do that.
Back to the USA...
But later states added and made from territory confirmed as US controlled due to the War of 1812 stretch all the way until 1907 with Oklahoma (#46), and would have to include Arkansas (#25, 1836), Michigan (#26, 1837), Florida (#27, 1845), Iowa (#29, 1846), Wisconsin (#30, 1848), Minnesota (#32, 1858), Kansas (#34, 1861), Nebraska (#37, 1867), as well as the Dakotas (#39 and #40, around 1890), and Oklahoma (1907).
Notice that the War of 1812 also eventually led to opening up the Missouri River basin to settlers and traders as never before.
War of 1812 Opened up Missouri River basin.(Since the British had been there continuously threatening or actually occupying various U.S. territory, but not U.S. states, and kidnapping U.S. citizen-sailors from U.S. ships on the high seas, and anchoring war ships off U.S. ports, the war was already underway against the U.S.A. by the British well before 1812. Therefore, I say that the War of 1812 started before the Louisiana Puchase was even a possibility.)
- Louisiana Purchase Territory which later became states or parts of states - 1812-1907 - Louisiana (18)(parts not obtained from Lousiana Purchase, obtained later, and boundaries changed before and after statehood), Arkansas (25), Missouri (24), Iowa (29), Oklahoma (46), Kansas (34), Nebraska (37), plus parts and/or most of other states such as Texas, South Dakota (39 or 40), Colorado (38), Wyoming (44), Montana (41), North Dakota (39 or 40), New Mexico (47), & Minnesota (32).
- Third Wave - (1845-1912) Most or Parts of Texas, Colorado & New Mexico, plus all of California, Arizona, Nevada, and Utah. (Republic of Texas lands as modified by the Mexican War, plus Gadsden Purchase lands.)
Obviously, these Texas lands were also affected by the War of 1812.
- Fourth Wave - (1859-1890) Oregon, Washington state, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, North and South Dakota. (Oregon Country states, plus those to the East of that land added as states around 1890.)
- West Virginia (1861) breaks away from Viginia to join the USA during the Civil War. As "contraband enemy territory", Lincoln and the U.S. constitutionally recognize it as legitimate even though the "rebel" Virigina legislature never approved of this.
- Fifth Wave - (1959-) Alaska, Hawaii. Alaska, plus remaining U.S. territorial possessions, League of Nation/U.N. Trusteeship territories, and other such islands or states. Only Hawaii joined the U.S. completely from that group, so far, but unfortunately is associated with its independent Republic of Hawaii which ultimately committed Hari-Kari apparently before annexation, entering the U.S. as mere real estate a few months later. (1893-1897)) History of Hawaii.
I tried to exclude states that don't fall exclusively in one of these waves, but that isn't possible.
Apparently, the transition to French rule in Louisiana had never fully occurred, so when the USA purchased it in 1803, U.S. forces only occupied areas initially that the French had just given up. Future acreage yieldings were terminated or slowed down as the Napoleonic wars in Europe changed the status of everything in North America, back and forth. When Madison heard that Napoleon had been finally defeated at this point, he became alarmed that the Louisiana Purchase would be challenged by its previous owners who had just defeated Napoleon.
The next phase of the USA involved the inevitable complex class-warfare between the "spoiled-brats" and the Jacksonians. This would've begun around 1828-1832-1836-1840, etc. This was the era when President Tyler, for example, became a Jacksonian after taking office and was then ejected from the Whig Party - from which he had already exited.
NOTE: This list is incomplete, overlapping, and not guaranteed to be totally accurate. There are probably some states not included in these "waves of expansion" since they were made out of different territory cobbled together and acquired at different times and in different manners. The groupings are somewhat loosely defined. For example, Colorado is made from numerous territorial parts, such as Texas lands, and Louisiana Purchase lands, plus others.
Both Hawaii and the former CSA have been involved in efforts to not join, or to break away from the USA, and then have consequentally chosen constitutionally to organize democratically to become new states of the United States, again.
CUT OFF SOUND at top of page. Note that this page was written for entertainment purposes only. The actual political history of Hawaii as a new U.S. state is a very proud thing for Hawaiians and the USA both.
The part of this page concerning President James Madison and the War of 1812, began mostly when I inquired concerning which state was number 14. That inquiry had nothing to do with the War of 1812. However, learning the sequence of the states after the first 13 was interesting.
Then at some point, I explored which states entered around 1812. It was astounding to see the differences between the accounts of the War of 1812, and the states which entered the union about that time from mainstream reference sources, versus more accurate sources. Upon closer examination, I think now that our country would not have survived if not for this war.
Wikipedia has new information (for Americans) that the Monroe Doctrine was actually dreamed up by the British. It wasn't President Monroe's idea, but he was allowed to get credit for it since the British no longer had to patrol this part of the world, so much. The War of 1812 soon meant the end of major European colonization in the New World. Instead, immigrants would emmigrate from Europe.
But this page was initially only about Ronald Reagan's campaign promises concerning the Panama Canal Zone, which no one seems to remember. The physical layout of the page is not to my liking, but hopefully, it can be improved eventually.
I noticed at Wikipedia a link about the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812 coming up in early November 2011, sometime after I studied the order of the states entering the U.S. in relation to that war.
The State of Hawaii NEVER had a "Governor Dole" in its entire history! NOTE: in the modern world, there is no such thing as a "Treaty of Annexation". That's like marriage being a "contract to be raped" on the part of one or more marriage partners. When The Republic of Hawaii decided to become The State of Hawaii, that is what should've happened constitutionally.
Instead, the Republic demoted itself to dirt, or volcanic ash mixed with organic matter, and guano, (bird excrement) before entering the USA.
As a self-governing state under the U.S. Constitution, that did NOT happen until the end of a long, painful, and weird gap. It finally happened long after Governor Dole was dead - in 1959. (Governor Dole is his true Constitutional title under the U.S. Constitution. He had been President of Hawaii. Instantly he should've become "Governor Dole" (of the STATE of Hawaii) back in 1897 if those morons had been following the U.S. Constitution. But they improvised instead. Yes, he was "Governor Dole". I know that.)
I do NOT recognize whatever fakery was masquerading as "The United States" when they "annexed" The Republic of Hawaii as real estate, instead of being a new state of the USA, like the other 49. However, the Democratic Party revolution that created the current State of Hawaii, is seen as valid here.
Choice: bird-quano imperialistic osmotic, sliver by little sliver, expansion, or True Constitutional Mega-Expansion.
YOUR CHOICE USA!!!! THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTION FOR AMERICANS WHO ARE LOYAL TO THEIR COUNTRY, AND ITS DESTINY.
2 Choices:
- Sliver by Sliver, UnConstitutional PiqSqueak Expansion, (osmotic bird-bat-quano-volcanic island step by stepping, imperialistic-style. May or May NOT include DEMOCRACY).
- Mega-Constitutional-State-by-Sovereign-State-Expansion. Like the other 49 or so. More or less. Includes U.S. Territorial Expansion when it is DEMOCRATIC.
Now that I think about it, method 1 and 2 are closer than you think. Despite appearances, the Territorial Legislatures don't seem to be that related to the Territorial Governors.
What is the relationshop between Territorial Governors, and Territorial Legislatures, if any? Did it really matter that Hawaii lost its Territorial Legislature between 1897 and 1959 on many occasions?
Probably 99% of this web page is from Wikipedia.
